Monday, February 7, 2011

How Democracy Became Halal - rather - Can Muslims Eat Kosher!!

NY Times ~ using the new weird soothing Washington-speak ~ when talking about Islam. Its like blood leaking out of your eye and you are still talking calmly speak!!


Truth is no one knows what will be the outcome in Egypt ~ but the writer holds high hopes for Islamic democracy.

It almost sounds like the Muslim Brotherhood's 'Islam is the answer for all' slogan.


More convincingly than any president before him, Barack Obama can say, “We are not scared of Muslims voting.” He can put an end to the West’s deleterious habit of treating the Middle East’s potentates respectfully and the Muslim citizenry like children.

Much comparison is made between Iran and the difference between Shi'a and Sunni Islam, to determine the possible future of Egypt ~ but for other Islamic disasters, we should also look at Pakistan. They have democracy ~ but anyone who challenges Islamic law ~ risks life and limb.

Supremacy of the Shari'a sunk?


The Egyptian revolt against President Hosni Mubarak and his regime has caused many in the West to foresee a calamitous, unstoppable rise of the Muslim Brotherhood.. The Brotherhood is frightening...

But the Brotherhood, like everyone else, is evolving. It would be a serious error to believe that it has not sincerely wrestled with the seductive challenge of democracy..., with the fact that the Egyptian faithful like the idea of voting for their leaders.

In 2007, members of the Brotherhood released, withdrew and unofficially re-released a political platform — ..in which an outsider can see the Brothers’ philosophical struggle with the idea of parliamentary supremacy and the certainty that faithful Muslims may legislatively transgress Holy Law.

Islamic Freedom?

The Brotherhood is trying to come to terms with the idea of hurriya, “freedom.” In the past, for the Muslim devout, hurriya had denoted the freedom of a believer to worship God..

It is clear when westerners talk of freedom ~ Muslims aren't getting it. For 1000 years Muslims did nothing, except practise Islam ~ they decorated it ~ they nurtured it ~ it has becoming obvious that the goal in Islam is Islam itself.

China has lifted 500 million of its people above the poverty line ~ in this same period ~ what have Muslim nations accomplished [specially those without oil]? For 1000 plus years those who did not focus on the religion enough ~ that is, exhibited freedom of thought or action outside of the practise of Islam ~ were put to death. Imagine the inventor ~ dragged off to the mosque 5 times a day ~ and if he doesn't show up ~ because he would rather be lost in his thoughts ~ someone comes knocking on the door to find out why. And for further indignation ~ his ideas must be passed through the clerics ~ whom of which believe Islam knows everything.

There is a massive gap. When freedom is linked only to the practise of Islam. And peace is linked to Islamic conquest or predominance [Dar al Harb vs Dar al Islam /realm of peace/ realm of war - the conquered and the unconquered]. Even if Muslims ~ as they have shown ~ could have free and fair elections ~ there is still a long way to go.


Islamic Justice

Islam puts extraordinary emphasis upon the idea of justice — the earthbound quid pro quo that a man can expect in a righteous life.

This sense of justice, which Iraq’s Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani expressed so forcefully in 2004 against an American occupation fearful of letting Iraqis vote, has been irreversibly welded to the ballot box. Democracy for the faithful has become a means for society to affirm its most cherished Islamic values.

I thought this was funny ~ in context it is meant to trigger one's emotions and outwardly display 'deep' respect for Islam [the grand I'm not Islamophobic gesture]. But it is funny ~ in that it says Muslims love justice ~ they love justice alright ~ when you think of chopping off hands...


What we are talking about is a post-Shari'a Islamic world. For Muslims to understand that perhaps Islam should not be placed über alles!



IN the Western study of medieval Islamic history, the institution of iqta — land grants from the sovereign to his soldiers — once loomed large, because scholars searched for reasons behind the Muslim failure to develop feudalism, and with it the contractual relationships that eventually led to constitutional government. But looking for parallels between the West and Islam — especially the classical Islamic heartland from North Africa to Iran — has always been politically a sad endeavor, since the region seemed so resistant to the ideas and institutions that made representative government possible.

President George W. Bush’s decision to build democracy in Iraq seemed so lame to many people because it appeared, at best, to be another example of American idealism run amok — the forceful implantation of a complex Western idea into infertile authoritarian soil. But Mr. Bush, whose faith in self-government mirrors that of a frontiersman in Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America,” saw truths that more worldly men missed: the idea of democracy had become a potent force among Muslims, and authoritarianism had become the midwife to Islamic extremism.

One of the great under-reported stories of the end of the 20th century was the enormous penetration of the West’s better political ideas — democracy and individual liberty — into the Muslim consciousness. For those of us who speak and read Persian, the startling evolution was easier to see. Theocracy-versus-democracy has been a defining theme of the Islamic Republic of Iran since the revolution, which harnessed both Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s religious charisma and the secular intelligentsia’s democratic aspirations. Over the last three decades, clerical Iran has nurtured an intense intellectual discourse about the duties that man owes to God.

When the legitimacy of theocracy started to unravel amid the regime’s corruption and brutality in the late 1980s, democratic ideas, including powerful democratic interpretations of the Islamic faith, roared forth. The explosion on the streets after the fraudulent presidential elections of June 2009 was just the most visible eruption of the enormous democratic pressures that had built up underneath the republic’s autocracy. More regime-threatening moments are surely coming.

Today’s Arab societies — less intellectually vibrant than Iran, in great part because their regimes have been more effective in shutting down internal debate — have become increasingly schizophrenic. Long before the tumult in Tunisia and Egypt, Arab liberal secular intellectuals had divided. Except for the fearless, who went to prison, liberals who didn’t flee their homelands usually became “court liberals,” whose views never seriously challenged the rulers.

Aware of the dismal fates of their kind in Iran under Ayatollah Khomeini, they faithfully echoed the anti-Islamist, après-moi-le-déluge fears that the region’s autocrats used in Washington whenever American officials objected to tyranny. Democracy remained for them a cherished ideal, attainable at some future date when the Islamists had lost their appeal and the despots their power.

The secular intellectuals in exile, however, more forcefully embraced the democratic cause — their newspapers, books, magazines, Web sites and, increasingly, appearances on Al Jazeera — delivered their views back home. Intellectuals of such diverse viewpoints as Kanan Makiya, Edward Said, Saad Eddin Ibrahim and Burhan Ghalioun opened up an ever-increasing liberal, democratic space in foreign and Arabic publications. Yes, some mixed their message of liberty with other “Arab” priorities: anti-Zionism, anti-Americanism and anti-imperialism. But their support of democracy was clear, and became more acute after the 9/11 attacks.

Understandably, the Western foreign ministries and press paid a lot more attention to the court liberals. A revulsion against the Iraq war and a distaste for President Bush helped to blind people to the spread of democratic sentiments in the region. It blinded them to the fact that among Middle Easterners, democracy, not dictatorship, was now seen as a better vehicle for economic growth and social justice.

Most important, Mr. Bush’s distastefulness helped to blind Westerners to the momentous marriage of Islamism and democratic ideas. Men and women of devout faith, who cherish (if not always rigorously follow) Shariah law increasingly embraced the convulsive idea that only elected political leadership was legitimate. Islam puts extraordinary emphasis upon the idea of justice — the earthbound quid pro quo that a man can expect in a righteous life.

This sense of justice, which Iraq’s Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani expressed so forcefully in 2004 against an American occupation fearful of letting Iraqis vote, has been irreversibly welded to the ballot box. Democracy for the faithful has become a means for society to affirm its most cherished Islamic values.

The Egyptian revolt against President Hosni Mubarak and his regime has caused many in the West to foresee a calamitous, unstoppable rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, the mother ship of Sunni fundamentalism. The Brotherhood is frightening. Prominent members have sanctified suicide-bombing against Israeli women and children, espoused the vilest anti-Semitism and affirmed the holiness of killing those who would slight the Prophet Muhammad.

But the Brotherhood, like everyone else, is evolving. It would be a serious error to believe that it has not sincerely wrestled with the seductive challenge of democracy, with the fact that the Egyptian faithful like the idea of voting for their leaders.

In 2007, members of the Brotherhood released, withdrew and unofficially re-released a political platform — the first ever for the organization — in which an outsider can see the Brothers’ philosophical struggle with the idea of parliamentary supremacy and the certainty that faithful Muslims may legislatively transgress Holy Law. The Brothers themselves didn’t know how much free rein to give to their compatriots — they, like everyone else, are moving in uncharted waters.

The Brotherhood is trying to come to terms with the idea of hurriya, “freedom.” In the past, for the Muslim devout, hurriya had denoted the freedom of a believer to worship God; for the Arab nationalist, the word was the battle cry against European imperialism. Today, in Egypt and elsewhere, hurriya cannot be understood without reference to free men and women voting. The Brothers are trying to figure out how to integrate two civilizations and thereby revive their own. This evolution isn’t pretty. But it is real.

For the Egyptian people, the Brothers are not an enigma — they have been around since 1928. Unlike the revolutionary mullahs of Iran, who wrote books that almost no one outside the clergy read, the Brotherhood has spread its word to the Egyptian public for decades.

It’s also important that Egyptian Muslims are Sunnis. Unlike Iran’s Shiites, whose history revolves around charismatic men, Egyptians have no Ayatollah Khomeini. The Brotherhood is an organization of laymen. It has always had a tense relationship with Al Azhar, the great Sunni seminary of Cairo.

Although Hosni Mubarak has done his best to suck the life out of Egyptian society, the shadows of once great parties, like the Wafds of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and nearly forgotten forces like the Liberal Constitutionalist Party will try to resurrect themselves in fairly short order. Ayman Nour and his liberal Ghad Party are already established.

Once President Mubarak is gone, and if his minions don’t try to maintain the military dictatorship, a quick transition to democracy is likely to produce a plethora of parties, with a few in position to form a coalition.

The Brotherhood will undoubtedly be one of the big players, but it will have to compete for votes. And, as the Brotherhood’s aborted platform clearly reveals, the organization is going to have to do better than chanting, “Islam has all the answers,” the easy retort of men who know they don’t have to compete for power.

What we are likely to see in Egypt is not a repeat of Iran, where fundamentalists took undisputed power, but a repeat of Iraq, where Sunni religious parties did well initially but started to fade, divide and evolve as the powerful Sunni preference for laymen of no particular religious distinction comes to the foreground. Sunni Islam has no clerical hierarchy of the holy — it’s tailor-made for nasty arguments among men who dispute one another’s authority to know the righteous path. If the Brotherhood can be corralled by a democratic system, the global effect may not be insignificant.

We have a chance in Egypt to be lucky. Democratization there, like democratization of Iran, could thwart the ideologies and fear that move poor countries to spend fortunes on nuclear weapons. The United States is not without influence. We can push hard for a quick transition to democratic rule. The Egyptian Army, historically no friend of democracy or civil liberties, is now dependent on American money and advanced weaponry. If it continues to stand behind Mr. Mubarak, if Egyptians start to die in large numbers, Washington shouldn’t hesitate to play hardball.

Elections should not be at the end of some long, undefined democratic transition, which Mr. Mubarak or his minions would surely use to abort democracy. Egypt needs elections sooner, not later. More convincingly than any president before him, Barack Obama can say, “We are not scared of Muslims voting.” He can put an end to the West’s deleterious habit of treating the Middle East’s potentates respectfully and the Muslim citizenry like children.

Reuel Marc Gerecht, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a former Middle Eastern specialist in the C.I.A.’s clandestine service, is the author of the forthcoming book “The Wave: Man, God and the Ballot Box in the Middle East.”

New York Times

Saturday, February 5, 2011

Multiculturalism is dead - An end to passive tolerance - PM Cameron


We are all Dorothy today! The wicked witch of multiculturalism is dead!

“Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality. [A genuinely liberal country] says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society.”

Notice he says Islam is a religion 'observed peacefully by over 1 billion people' ~ not Islam is a religion of peace!!

First he never says Islam is a religion of peace ~ and then he says that Islamism ~ is a political force and Islam are different ~ which directly contradicts what almost every Muslims says about their own religion and that is it is encompasses all of life, political [which is why they don't have rights and freedoms in the Islamic world], legal - in the form of the Sharia, and one area which they don't admit easily to outsiders ~ is that Islam also includes military ~ as that would include Islamism ~ in the way Islam was first established ~ 100's of millions were killed through jihadism or Islamism ~ in mostly unprovoked attacks to carry the religious ideology to India and North Africa, up as far as Spain.

That we can accept, that many  people practise the religion peacefully ~ doesn't though exclude the violence of the ideology. It is normal for people to revert back to their natural state of reasoning. And that is what makes Islam inherently unstable ~ people going back to normal relations with their neighbors, for ex ~ versus  the fundamentalists element ~ who would remain them of what they ought to be doing as Muslims ~ and that is taking more territory for Islam, ensuring Islam is practised correctly and asserting dominance over your non-Muslim neighbor. Like in Pakistan and Egypt people get along for a while ~ then the radicals remind people ~ sometimes through violence that these non-Muslims or apostates or independent thinkers ~ should not be awarded the same level of respect. The problem is that the radicals are more in line with what Muhammad instructed, than the moderates.

Brilliant!!

'At stake is not just lives~  it is our way of life'. 'Passive tolerance' ~ or as some would say there is not two ways about this tolerance. Or better tolerating the intolerable. So long as there is not an explosion or a plot to carry out one ~ we should ignore everything else ~ we should ignore attempts to make fundamental changes to our society. And where do the people who wish to make these changes stem from ~ from places like Pakistan... none of which are not examples we wish to follow. Christians, Hindus and others hold less rights under the law, are barred from serving in the military, becoming president and in some areas Hindus are forced to wear a red patch to demonstrate to neighbors that they are not Muslims.

The argument has been that if Muslims are nice / or law abiding that we should allow their religious law ~ on the grounds that [by their example] religious law could be implemented responsibly.

The idea of multiculturalism was like that of communism ~ where all cultures were supposed to be equal ~ but what those planning these societies did not predict ~ was the competition of cultures. After the bombings, Muslims leaders had the government's ear. In one undercover mosque filming ~ one leader said ~ now, at least they will hear us. The 'protection' of Islam/Muslims ~ at all costs ~ first started with fear of the repercussions for offending Islam ~ especially after the Danish cartoons. Then the protection of Islam/Muslims became almost a state religion ~ and in its dogmatism became a kind of theocracy. Example, a foster carer, who looked children for years without a problem ~ doing a great service ~ was struck off the register after one 16-17 year old girl converted to Christianity in her care ~ even after she had informed the child's social worker and had repeatedly offered the child alternatives ~ she insisted on going to church with the women. Upholding freedom of religion ~ was placed under offending Islam. Her livelihood was destroyed, teachers livelihoods have been destroyed, in one case, where the kids were saying they wanted to be Taliban or suicide bomber/martyr when they grew up and don't touch me you are a dirty Christian in a British classroom ~ lost his job under accusations of being a racist. In another, a headteacher lost her job also accused of being a racist, when new Muslim school board members [one convert] insisted among other changes that teachers dress modestly ~ with arms covered ~ while in school or during some sort of prayer session ~ in a state school. The local school authority said that they were more afraid of the state's racist commission. Examples in other parts of Europe, Spain a boy was offended when his teacher remarked that the cool dry weather was perfect for curing hams. And told his teacher not to talk about pork around him ~ but when the teacher returned the comment by telling the boy that it was better to go back across the Med. the teacher was questioned by the police. [Video]

With this 'protection' Muslims sought to impose their whole way of life on the rest of society ~ through the avenue of multiculturalism. By saying multiculturalism is dead ~ is closing that route.

Previously in Europe the aim was to alter the whole society ~ around Islamic sentiment ~ now the message is Muslims who want to live in Europe need to toe the line. One of our mistakes has been to look at Muslims from a European point of view ~ meaning we look only at the Muslim in Europe and not from the perspective of people with a history from their countries of origin. These are countries, largely where people don't support individual freedoms or religious rights. So that we must look at Muslims as coming from a background of intolerance and from here we can put in place an education program to demonstrate to Muslims the value of the free society. It is clear they don't completely understand freedom. [It seems to be like another language, which we assume they will learn.] Ideas such as women's rights ~ are got in the way of by cultural ideology ~ imported from the old country. With information ~ women/girls can make better choices ~ although not everyone will choose freedom ~ at least they understand it.

Because one of the requirements of Islamic society is that everyone follow its rules ~ we are going to have to actively dismantle ~ some of the more troubling aspects of Islam ~ or for those Muslims who wish to support these practises ~ we should encourage them to keep them private.

Freedom has brought western society a dynamism, along with an inventiveness ~ that we simply don't see in the religiously controlled Islamic world.

The ideal would be to get Muslims to give up the idea of Islamic dominance ~ it would make things easier if they would drop the idea of advocating for shari'a and see Islam's place only in a religious context ~ but until this ideal presents itself ~ we must put in place counter measures to deal with this Islamic insurgency ~ on our way of life.

Friday, February 4, 2011

Reporter shot dead as Egypt's raucous continues - Photos





I thought when Iran had its protests ~ that it would not be long that we see the rest of the Islamic world go ~ as Iran goes Islam goes. [after Iran had its Islamic Revolution ~ not to be outdone the Saudis implemented the same kind of restrictions in Arabia - for ex. the black dress for women and strict separations of the sexes in schools came only after the Iranian Revo-Islamism.] But the problem with this idea is that Iran already has stoning, amputations and laws for death for apostasy. Many Iranians were protesting against some of the Islamic strictures ~ on the streets we saw blatant examples of freedom ~ also there is a growing disillusionment ~ that this Islam doesn't hold all the answers as promised. No doubt in large part across the region this uprising is about food on the plate and money in the pocket.

Intervention might be needed.

Now is not the time to play up the religion in any way ~ the air needs to be let out of that balloon ~ popped if necessary ~ the type of intervention they need is for someone to go in there and talk about what could be accomplished in a 'free' society [like twitter, Facebook & Microsoft / the motorcar / flight] ~ but that to have this freedom you can't control the other guy's life.

It is sad ~ the pyramid builders have been reduced to worshippers of an Arabian stone.

It could get out of hand ~ and we might not be able to go and see the pyramids.











What does being Egyptian mean - perhaps time to throw off Arabian colonization.



Praying for change ~ as in more rights and freedoms or more Islam?






































Egypt's Islamization - 50 years ago virtually no one wore a headscarf.



















































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Thursday, February 3, 2011

Muslims kill 5 Buddhists sitting in tea-house in Thai South - Video

Interview with ABC Mubarak: I Want to GO - Video


If ElBaradei can be wedged in as President ~ then I think Egypt will get some of the change it deserves ~ if it is the Muslim Bros ~ those in Egypt who want beheading, amputations and death for leaving Islam will likely get their way.

This is why you are left with almost no option but to support the greedy dictator in the Islamic world ~ the main opposition wants a kind of Taliban state. Backing this is the belief that any normalcy under a free and democratic system is impossible [or ungodly/ forbidden]. As most Islamic regional governments claiming to offer such western things are often corrupt. Then tie to that to the 'western puppet regime', 'the crusade' ideas and so on... and it boils to Islam is the answer ~ for everything.

The problem with this fictious reality ~ like the Cairo Dec. of Human Rights reason for being ~ is to place Islam over humanity, and far above the individual right and individual freedom [you may have these things but with a lot of study] ~ and what gets everybody ~ is that Muslims think they are cleverer when they are doing this ~ here is their logic ~ Islam encompasses all of life ~ and I happily give up my religious freedoms ~ to the Islamic state or just the state. So technically, Islam can be used in all areas of society ~ to control freedom of the press, to give the police more powers, to stop you from leaving the state religion, or imprison you for openly having a girlfriend ~ basically the Sharia-gri La ideology, means Muslims give the state licence to abuse them.

Islam's grandiose delusion!

We have been told by some ~ [Egyptian] scholars, that Europe would do well to learn from Islam's example and especially places like Egypt ~ and that western democracy needs Shari'a - it would be hard to back these arrogant arguments up today, if they ever really had weight at all.

~ Egypt's Shari'a disaster unfolds.

It its okay to hope for a freer Egypt ~ but Egyptians have to want it.

Police Car running over protesters in Egypt 2011 - Video

Wednesday, February 2, 2011

Egypt pro and anti-government mayhem.. camels, guns and knives - Photos



CAIRO - Several thousand supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, attacked anti-government protesters Wednesday as Egypt's upheaval took a dangerous new turn. In chaotic scenes, the two sides pelted each other with stones, and protesters dragged attackers off their horses. [+]



At least he kept the Islamist away!!












Not Islamic peace ~ real peace!!









He's not the Taliban!!





I know what kind of Egypt I want!! 



























Life was expensive ~ yes ~ I could have taken less money from my people!




















I am your God!!
























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