Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Dreamscape: ’No contradiction between Islam and democracy,’ say EU political and religious leaders


European Council President, Herman Van Rompuy, European Parliament President, Jerzy Buzek, European Commission President Manuel Barroso and representatives from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Muslim communities gathered at EU headquarters in Brussels on Monday for an annual meeting at which freedom of religion and religious tolerance were the main topics.

Religious freedom and tolerance ~ are the main topics ~ and are the main stumbling block.

“Arab people are liberating themselves,” Mr. Van Rompuy said at a news conference. “These are their revolutions and we have common values.”

The question is what do Muslims in the Islamic world want? Obama's latest speech to the Muslim world ~ laid out some of the real sticking points in a moderate way ~ he said there should be rights for women ~ and more importantly, respect for religious minorities.

In Egypt there is one simple clause in the Egyptian constitution ~ that denies minorities their rights, that is the Clause 2 ~ which states that no law can contradict the Sharia. Muslim women might be happy to forgo equal rights and full citizenship ~ because they think, generation after generation, that it is for some greater good or other, but to impose personal religious restrictions on non-Muslims or those which choose to practise Islam differently ~ is where the problem for the Arab spring and the so-called renewal, lies.


Christian minorities in the Middle East are facing political and security challenges. They have been targeted in Iraq and forced to flee from Baghdad to Syria, Kurdistan and Europe. The Coptic Christian minority in Egypt is also being targeted by Islamist groups.

What is likely to happen ~ is that Muslims will seek rights for Muslim men and somewhat for women and not at all for religious minorities ~ its the selfish kind of love Muhammad practised.

However, they expressed concerns over the post-revolution period. “We are living through an interesting time, after the Arab spring, but I hope that this spring will lead to summer, and not to a cold, harsh winter,” said the the Chief Rabbi of Moscow, Pinchas Goldschmidt, who is anxious that religious freedoms in these countries should be preserved. [Europolitics]

Moscow Rabbi, voice of reason ~ but he says religious freedoms should be 'preserved'. Religious freedoms for non-Muslims in the Islamic world is like being served bread and water ~ while watching everyone else eat a proper meal. This, along with being told how grateful they should be.


The whole thing can be summed up with - its equal rights stupid!!

Islamic law doesn't respect equality ~ so you could see a functioning democracy ~ with millions not receiving the same protections under the law.


The average Muslim / moderate or radical ~ will say nothing to challenge these laws. So that it must be understood that any calls for Islamic law in the west ~ this is what they want here. Its kind of a lazy ~ its what god wants approach.


The whole thing is marked by its laziness. The idea is that you put into place this perfect government run under Shari'a ~ with the understanding is that if it is done right ~ it should work out perfectly. No further input needed. Islamic governance is for them like putting together a puzzle with the picture on the box. Keep in mind that Iran had a revolution and now it is ready for another one.

They are blind.

Its Muhammad's backward children ~ in that they are forever looking backward ~ not forward ~ trying to reinvent some dead system. And they are not even permitted to leave the religion ~ hence individual thought is barred. Freedom to think out loud ~ nil. Its the trouble with the Islamic world.




The seventh annual meeting of religious leaders with the EU institutions focused on human rights and democratic freedoms - in the context of the 'Arab spring'. Around twenty high representatives of the Christian, Jewish and Muslim and Buddhist religions held talks, on 30 May, with Presidents José Manuel Barroso (Commission), Herman Van Rompuy (Council) and Jerzy Buzek (Parliament). They discussed how a partnership for democracy can be established, and how to work for shared prosperity in Europe while promoting rights and freedoms. [+]

Declaring that there was “no contradiction between Islam and democracy,” political and religious leaders of the European Union have called for more religious tolerance in Europe and its neighboring countries.

European Council President, Herman Van Rompuy, European Parliament President, Jerzy Buzek, European Commission President Manuel Barroso and representatives from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Muslim communities gathered at EU headquarters in Brussels on Monday for an annual meeting at which freedom of religion and religious tolerance were the main topics.


“Arab people are liberating themselves,” Mr. Van Rompuy said at a news conference. “These are their revolutions and we have common values.”

The meeting was the second under the Lisbon Treaty, which formalized this open and regular dialogue between the EU and representatives of various religions.

Referring to the “Arab Spring,” Mr. Van Rompuy said: ”These revolutions are not the work of extremists or fanatics. On the contrary, it shows there is no contradiction between Islam and democracy as indeed is the case of the other religions.”

“Expectations of respect are great in the EU, the closest neighbors” to the Arab people, he said.

Christian minorities in the Middle East are facing political and security challenges. They have been targeted in Iraq and forced to flee from Baghdad to Syria, Kurdistan and Europe. The Coptic Christian minority in Egypt is also being targeted by Islamist groups.

EU leaders raised the issue with top Egyptian officials in March, and at the G8 meeting last weekend in Deauville, France.

“Respect of religion is a fundamental right and it will be a test for the rule of law and democracy in Europe as well as in other countries,” Mr. Barroso, the European Commission president, said. He said that Egyptian officials gave a commitment to assure the security of the Copt minority.

The EU is proposing to its neighbors in the south to build a new “Partnership for Democracy and Shared Prosperity,” Mr. Barroso said. “The EU must be on the side of those who aspire to political freedom, social development and justice.”

“This is a matter of values and it is also in the EU’s interest,” he said.

The revolutions in Tunis and in Egypt forced many Europeans to change their readings of the evolving situation in the Arab societies. The two revolutions were not a religious uprising. Young generations took the lead in the events in Tunis and Tahrir Square in Cairo.

The next elections in both countries are strongly expected to test the Islamist parties’ ability to cooperate with the largely secular European countries, among other things.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/31/151318.html

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