Friday, November 27, 2009

Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha and the slaughter of animals [Photos]

A sheep is seen before its slaughter at a cattle and sheep farm during Eid al-Adha in Cairo, November 27, 2009. Muslims around the world celebrate Eid al-Adha to mark the end of the haj by slaughtering sheep, goats, cows and camels to commemorate Prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail on God's command.

Many rights campaigners call the practise inhuman and brutal - the one thing that can be said about the practise is at least the focus is on killing an animal - and not another human being.

Butchers slaughter cows during Eid al-Adha celebrations in Banha, 48 km (30 miles) north of Cairo, November 23, 2009, Muslims across the world are preparing to celebrate the annual festival of Eid al-Adha or the Festival of Sacrifice, which marks the end of the Haj pilgrimage to Mecca by hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world by slaughtering goats, sheep and cattle in commemoration of the Prophet Abraham's readiness to sacrifice his son to show obedience to Allah.

Muslims prepare to kill a cow during Eid al-Adha celebrations on a street in the Abobo area of Abidjan November 27, 2009. Muslims around the world celebrate Eid al-Adha by slaughtering sheep, goats, camels and cows to commemorate Prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son, Ismail, on God's command.

Palestinians slaughter a sheep near a section of the controversial Israeli barrier on the first day of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha in Shuafat refugee camp in the West Bank near Jerusalem November 27, 2009. Muslims around the world celebrate Eid al-Adha to mark the end of the haj by slaughtering sheep, goats, cows and camels to commemorate Prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail on God's command.


Anonymous said...

blood-thirsty bastards!
Barbaric inhumane practice.

Rose Marie said...

I am terribly sad to see pictures of these brutal killings of innocent animals and I am even more saddened to see children being witness to these events. I live in New York City and taught my children never to even crush a bug under their foot. I hope that these Muslims one day see and understand the error fo their ways and stop this practice.

Bea Elliott said...

As with the turkey and pig sacrifices in the US for "religion" or "tradition".
In the end this is true:
No one will betray their faith if they refuse to kill or eat animals.

It is time - in the Western World and all other cultures to end this barbaric practice!

Anonymous said...

You idiots are so stupid! Just because you never see how your own meat is slaughtered doesn't make this "barbaric" or "inhuman". Abbattoirs all over the western world use practices which are much more brutal and inhumane than this! FYVKFI, these animals are slaughtered, quickly and humanely, FOR THEIR MEAT! That meat is then given as CHARITY to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of poor people, FOR FREE.

Try rejecting your sheep-ignorance and get educated.


Bea Elliott said...

Anonymous - I did state that these were similar conditions that turkeys, pigs and cows faced in traditional slaughterhouses. My point was - That all animal slaughter is inhumane and not justifiable. Clearly, these people have access to other foods which would not require the "sacrifice" of an animal.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a Muslim. I'm just a college student in the United States. I do know that Islam actually practices more humane forms of slaughtering than the generally accepted slaughtering practices in all of the United States. Animals must be killed in a manner which gives them the least pain (cutting of the throat). Some American slaughter houses allow animals to be clubbed in the skull until they die to name just one inhumane way that animals are mistreated regularly in the US.

Now that I have cleared up that these aren't "brutal killings", I would like to talk about why the animals are killed. The meat from these animals will be given to people who have very little food. All of the meat is used.

"I how that these Muslims one day see and understand the error of their ways and stop this practice" is a misdirected statement. "This practice" is the humane slaughter of animals to provide food for the poor. I understand if you believe that animals should not be killed for meat, but then your problem is with ALL people who eat meat, not just Muslims. So possibly it is more appropriate to focus on telling people about vegetarianism and veganism rather than attacking Muslims.

If you would like to learn more about the Muslim religious rules regarding the humane slaughter of animals, I would suggest reading about halal slaughtering and compare it to the current methods used in non-Islamic slaughter houses.

Again, I would focus on meat eaters in general if you are going to get upset with people for killing animals, not just Muslims. According to their religion, animals have a right to be raised in humane ways (no overcrowding) and be slaughtered in the least painful way possible.

Anonymous said...

Also, I don't believe that it is sad that the children see animals being slaughtered. I think it is sad that so many people are disconnected from the truth about where meat comes from... All meat is at one time an animal. Children, and adults for that matter, should understand that meat was once an animal. If people understood more about the meat industry, animals would be treated better and receive more humane treatment. If people had to kill their own meat, they would eat a lot less of it. Being connected to where your food comes from is not something to be called barbaric.

Bea Elliott said...

Nothing "humane" happens in the bowels of a kill floor or at the end of a butcher's knife.

"Humane" means to be concerned with the alleviation of suffering. These beings are not ill, maimed or otherwise "unhealthy". They are not in an aging pain. They are delivered "fit for living", so there is no "suffering to alleviate" - Only suffering and death to cause.

My issue IS with all meat eaters -Except those who truly are "surviving" with no other choice... No one in these photos looks to be in peril - Except the brutalized animal. So, I assure you I address just as many "westernized" animal killers as well... You are right - There is no difference at all.

Want to create a better world? Eat like you mean it - Go Vegan

Anonymous said...

The meat does not go to the people in the pictures. Those are the people butchering the animals to give to charity. The people receiving the meat are often in extreme need.

Also, humane can mean "inflicting as little pain as possible."

Here's an online dictionary reference, or you can look it up in a dictionary of your choice.

And finally, I'm in school to become a dietitian. Humans are not naturally meant to be vegans. It is very hard--if not impossible-- to get all of your iron and B12 from non-heme (non-animal) sources. Most vegans at some point in their lives must have iron supplemented in their diets through pills and many receive B12 shots or take pills. It is only through the artificial enrichment of our foods that vegans can get a lot of their nutrient needs from non-heme sources. People who are in need (such as the people who are receiving the food from Muslim charity) often do not have the resources to purchase enriched foods or iron and B12 supplements. Meat allows them to live without severe health complications.

I agree that people should eat animal products less, but the human body needs certain nutrients. It is obvious that the human body is designed to eat meat based on how we absorb iron and B12. Plant sources are not absorbed nearly as well as animal sources of these nutrients. Humans absorb +85% of the iron they consume from animal sources. This is far greater than the 30% or less percent usually absorbed from plant sources. Also, plant sources already have FAR LESS iron naturally in them than meat sources. That being said, it's really hard to imagine an impoverished person flourishing on a vegan diet...

Bea Elliott said...

Yes, I agree that a vegan diet is easier to those who live in advanced cultures... So mainly the references to the urgency of a vegan diet would be to most anyone reading this in their cushy homes, sitting in front of a hi-tech computer and only miles away from a "super food store"... Which means 95% of "us".

Now, wouldn't it be great if we "civilized" western nations took the 80% of corn/grain that we grow to fatten animals --- And distributed it to people in "need". From my knowledge we could feed 10 - 15 times more people in impoverished conditions.

What you say about our absorption of the vital components in "flesh" served us very well when we were a wandering species. Eating grubs, carrrion and anything else we could find had it's purpose - then. But here we are today... And different conditions require different forms of substainance.

A point about our anatomy being suited for "meat": The Comparitive Anatomy of Eating - Milton Mills, MD:

And finally - since you are studing to be a nutritionalist here's what the American Dietetic Association has to say: "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes."

My point is... That if we don't HAVE TO kill/eat animals - which would be anyone/everyone reading this comment --- Then why should we?

Anonymous said...

Hello Bea,

First, my comments were not about if the people reading this blog should become vegans, it was about how the poor in other countries (and this country for that matter) would have a very hard time becoming vegans and maintaining it in a healthy manner.

Also, a lot of the corn and grain we use to feed cattle is feed corn and not suitable for human consumption. It is often grown in areas where the soil does not have the proper qualities to nourish corn or grain for human consumption. Unfortunately, unless we are going to send a bunch of dark green vegetables to other countries, not merely corn and grain, the iron deficiencies would still exist among the poor.

I completely agree, though, that America should work harder to help feed the hungry with our excess. And I agree that if people ate less meat, there would be more food to go around.

From archeological findings, it is very obvious that we were a wondering species who made tools FOR HUNTING PREY. That being said, I think it is hard to believe that we only ate grub and carrion. Also, carrion is probably not the only type of meat humans consumed because they had arrows... which are used to shoot at creatures far away. Cave paintings depict hunting large animals with spears. There is no real way you can justify saying that historically we only ate grubs and plants.

I skimmed your article about human anatomy. There is one major fault of the article. The doctor tries to make the claim that we are not meant to eat meat by comparing humans to vegetarian and carnivore anatomy--humans are omnivores. We have anatomy similar to both vegetarians and carnivores because we are meant to eat both. The beginning mentions that we are omnivores, but the rest of the article neglects to talk about how omnivores vary in their anatomical makeup. Also, in the paragraph above "Colon" the article seems to expose itself for what it is. It says "A multiple-stomach fermentation process in an animal which consumed a diet of soft, pulpy vegetation would be energetically wasteful" but isn't this exactly what cows do? This doctor is acting like a specialist on ALL ANIMAL ANATOMY they neglect to say that anatomy varies greatly. Also, humans have used tools throughout the ages. This influenced how we evolved. We don't need giant mouths to eat meat because we used primitive knives... This article completely neglects that humans have a unique evolutionary history. The man who wrote this is a doctor but not a specialist on the anatomy or evolution of all creatures. Most doctors do recommend a diet with moderate to low amounts of meat consumption. People have been found to live very healthy lives on these diets and avoid nutrient deficiencies this way.

Anonymous said...

Also, Bea, as someone who believes herself to be informed about nutrition and what is best for human consumption, I find it sad that you do not understand the difference between a dietitian and nutritionist. Dietitians go through rigorous programs and must intern and test into the position. In most states they must maintain high continuing education standards to remain licensed. I know the official stance of the ADA (American Dietetic Association) on vegan diets. The VERY important phrase is "well-planned". Unfortunately, most people do not have the knowledge or the dedication to eat all of the non-starchy vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes required to live a healthy vegan or vegetarian lifestyle. Instead, many vegans eat more starches than they should and end up short on the nutrition end of things. It is possible to live by a healthy vegan or vegetarian diet; it is just extremely hard to do so without enriched foods or supplementation.

My initial comment on this site supported your initial comment that the over-consumption and poor slaughtering treatments are bad. We differ on if meat should or should not be eaten. My comment was not even addressed to you. It was addressed to the two comments above yours.

Finally, you can't say that people reading this comment do not need meat. You have changed your opinion from everyone being able to be vegan (including the poor who would receive the meat from charity) to just the people in America reading this blog. It is hard to have a rational conversation with someone who changes their opinions so quickly about a topic they claim to be informed about. I think it is better for a doctor or dietitian, both professionals who have credentials, to give diet advice on a case to case basis. A blog about an Islamic festival is not the place to discuss veganism.

Bea Elliott said...

Gee Anonymous - It's so hard to tell which "Anonymous" you were before... None the less - The "proper diet" you espouse can also allude even those who are not vegan. Proper planning also escapes many who are eating meat at every meal.

And my first comments were given on the information that the people doing the killing and on lookers didn't look like they were starving to me... In fact, I count 7 inferences to "celebration" and "commemoration". Now which is it? A kill fest for "food" - Or a "sacrifice" for superstition?

And finally you say it is a "festival" --- And not appropriate to discuss veganism or more fittingly, a theology which advocates not causing harm. Given the tone and facts of the "celebration" and "festivity", I think inspection of "needless harm" is quite appropriate.

Anonymous said...

I agree Bea that a proper diet is difficult to follow whether vegan or not. Being vegan complicates things more and vegans need to keep watch over their iron and B12 intakes. Most people are not willing to put the dedication into watching these two nutrients with as much dedication as is required. Eating properly is already difficult, why make it harder by following an unnatural vegan diet? Eating less meat and animal products keeps people healthy while cutting down on the use of animals for food.

I know the people don't look like they are starving in the photos (and I am not trying to say that they are), but photos are NOT medical evidence of malnutrition. I already discussed the need for blood tests. Your opinion on their health status is not fact or based on fact. A woman sorting through photos on a blog is hardly a specialist...

It is a celebration. As part of the celebration animals are killed. Their meat is given to the poor. Isn't it beautiful that Islam has a celebration that has a major focus on being thankful for having food and expressing this gratitude by giving to others? It's not a superstitious sacrifice...

I know it might seem confusing to have a celebration which also includes killing animals to give to the poor. But think about in America when churches give away baskets of food at Christmas or Thanksgiving. These baskets often contain turkeys or ham. Although the churches probably do not kill these animals, the point behind the act is to give food to the poor to express a person's own gratitude for having an abundance of food. In Islam, their celebration is just more connected to where the food actually comes from.

Islam already advocates not causing harm to animals. They have strict rules for how animals can be killed. They do not believe in the abuse of animals. They do however believe that God allows humans to eat meat. This being said, they inflict the least amount of harm possible to the animal while still using the meat to feed people.

Bea Elliott said...

So what you are saying is that since people (here in the "west") are either too ignorant or lazy to figure out how to eat without killing - Then the killing is justified. I disagree.

And my judgements stand for churches who give away animal carcasses too. Whereas a huge basket filled with beans and other good sources of protein would be just as generous a deed... And probably more economic as well - Thereby helping even more people.

"They do however believe that God allows humans to eat meat." But my "gOd" says differently... And in the end --- Each of us chooses which creed reflects the highest value. I happen to believe that life is sacred - If that's okay with you?

Anonymous said...

No, I am saying that because being a vegan is not a natural way of eating. We are omnivores by nature. People should not pour their time into trying to live by a vegan diet if they do not feel so inclined.

Again, poor people do not have the money to supplement iron and B12... the meat they receive through charity in the US and abroad helps them fight serious deficiencies. I know this might not make sense to you (because I have said it many times now), but people who are poor do not have the money to buy pills or shots or (in many areas) enriched foods. It is very generous for organizations to donate foods which prevent serious health complications for these individuals.

I am not saying that what they believe has to demean what you believe. What I am saying is that religiously, they believe that humans were given domain over animals so long as they treat them correctly (which includes killing them correctly). They also believe that life is sacred, but they also believe that God allows the life of an animal to be taken. There are two conditions under which an animal life can be taken. First, for protection from the animal if it is trying to harm you. Second, for its meat. Muslims are not supposed to recklessly kill animals for no purpose.

I am glad you hold life to be sacred. I don't think Muslims do not hold life (including the life of an animal) to not have value. They just believe that humans are a part of the cycle of life which naturally includes carnivores and omnivores.

It might be a better idea for you to comment on a blog about people who kill animals for sport. Muslims respect animal life, but they respect it in a different way than you do. It is okay to be mature and respect a difference of opinion.

I have close friends who are vegetarians and vegans. I do not think it is a ridiculous lifestyle, but I do not believe it is practical for everyone.

I know you feel very passionately about being a vegan, but it is people like you who turn people off to the idea of becoming a vegan or vegetarian. If instead you focused on just helping people decrease their meat consumption, while respecting the values the people hold about if killing an animal is allowable or not, people might listen to you.

Bea Elliott said...

What I believe is that we should make efforts to evolve away from what was required to sustain us centuries and millenium ago. It was once "natural" to sleep in caves and poop in the woods --- Just because we did it once, does not mean we must continue to be "natural".

Oh gosh - "supplementing iron"? Soybeans, lentils, blackstrap molasses, kidney beans, chickpeas, black-eyed peas, Swiss chard, tempeh, black beans, prune juice, beet greens, tahini, peas, bulghur, bok choy, raisins, watermelon, millet, kale....

B-12? Never had the first "shot" or pill to provide for it: The requirement for vitamin B12 is very low. Non-animal sources include Red Star nutritional yeast T6635 also known as Vegetarian Support Formula (around 2 teaspoons supplies the adult RDA). Tempeh, miso, seaweed and fortified plant based milks are also a good source...

The logic here is: We can ship hundreds of millions of sheep, goats and cattle - In order to supply "protein", B-12 and iron. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to send Muslim countries foods that required minimal refridgeration - zero water - and absolutley no deaths en route.

But speaking of animal cruelty and what religious beliefs forbid --- Can one really say the cargo of lives exported from Austrailia and other countries constitues "humane" practices?

Finally, "If instead you focused on just helping people decrease their meat consumption, while respecting the values..." Well, I guess that's what some slave holders once might have said... If only the radicals would just try to modify and improve the treatment of slaves - They'd get a lot more support. Or what about rape? Couldn't we just focus on convincing the rapist he need not punch his victim too? What you don't get is that I, and many others see needless killing fundamentally wrong. And one does not go about trying to do the wrong thing the "right" way.

It’s a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done.
~Harriet Beecher Stowe

I would no sooner attempt to "respect" someone killing an innocent being if they had a choice than I would "respect" a person who beat their child only when they disobeyed. I see all forms of physical violence as oppressive and destructive to man's progress towards "civilization".

The first comment had it right: "Barbaric inhumane practice".

Anonymous said...

Hello Bea,

Sorry about the wait. I've been busy doing homework and school things.

First, I think it is interesting that you begin your statement with how "we should make efforts to evolve away from what was required to sustain us centuries and millennium ago" before your last post, you said you believed we were "naturally" vegetarians and how much you wanted to return how we are naturally supposed to eat... Your argument keeps changing. I can't take you seriously as an objective source on human meat consumption when your argument keeps flipping...

Also, there are plenty of people who still "sleep in caves and poop in the woods." Those are the people too poor to do otherwise... The same people who cannot afford the enriched foods and are probably more worried about finding clean water than making sure they can get to the store for some Vegetarian Support Formula.

Yes, iron and B12... grab a book or dietitian and ask them what a vegetarian and vegan needs to watch. I am proud of you for knowing foods that are high in iron. Unfortunately, you are neglecting that many people have problems with absorption. This is especially a problem in other countries where food and water safety are not a given. Many contaminants, parasites, and bacteria make it so GI absorption is not at its peak. And as I said before, non-heme sources of iron are much harder to absorb than heme (animal) sources. This being said, a strictly vegetarian diet is not going to work for some people. They will need iron to be supplemented or eat meat (and often people need iron supplements even if they do eat meat).

I'm glad that your GI tract is functioning properly and can absorb the iron you need.

Just because you have not needed shots or pills does not mean that no one does.

The RDA for B12 is low... but the amount of B12 found in most foods is also low unless they are fortified.

I think you have completely neglected what I said about B12. I said that people need shots, supplementation, and/or ENRICHED FOODS. "Vegetarian Support Formula" is an enriched food... The words "Support" and "Formula" are the keys to understanding that it is a manufactured food. It is engineered for the specific purpose of offsetting a deficiency that would occur if the food was not enriched. I am not saying that it is not a good source... I am just saying that not everyone has this available to them.

I found an article you should read about your "plant sources" to help you understand a little more about absorption. It says:

Anonymous said...

"Tempeh, miso, sea vegetables, and other plant foods are sometimes reported to contain vitamin B12. These products, however, are not reliable sources of the vitamin. The standard method for measuring vitamin B12 in foods measures both active and inactive forms of vitamin B12. The inactive form (also called analogues) actually interferes with normal vitamin B12 absorption and metabolism (7). When only active vitamin B12 is measured, plant foods including fermented soyfoods and sea vegetables do not contain significant amounts of active vitamin B12 (8)."

Here is the link:

Please notice that the woman who wrote this is a "R.D." which means registered dietitian.

I am not trying to make the claim that people cannot be vegetarians or vegans... I am just saying that not everyone has that option or should feel obligated to be one. Nutritionally speaking, being an omnivore makes sense.

"The logic here is:" WE aren't shipping this food to them--they are feeding the poor in their own countries with the meat they raise in their countries. And it if wasn't raised there, it still isn't some "we" of American’s giving them food.

I think this raises an interesting question--Why is someone as opinionated as yourself not donating all of their time and resources into funding a vegetarian/vegan food relief effort? You should use your actions to back your voice....

As for the video, I agree that the conditions under which the animals are shipped are cruel. I do not, however, hold the people receiving these sheep responsible. Again, I think you should be on a blog against cruelty during shipping and raising or some other such site. You should work for shipping regulations to be changed.

This video is obviously not showing the type of slaughter that should occur under the rules established by Islam. The animals should not be slaughtered in front of other animals. They should not be kept in conditions which cause them to suffer.

"Once our animals leave Australian shores, they are no longer protected by Australian welfare guidelines" is far from true. Whoever put together this video is trying to blame the people in the Middle East while neglecting to state that Australians are to blame for the way the sheep were crammed into the boat. This video is obviously trying to portray the Middle East as the problem while neglecting to take responsibility for their own inhumane shipment of the animals.

Anonymous said...

At the end of the video (time 6:01) it CLEARLY states "This footage not only shows our animals being slaughtered inhumanely but also not in accordance with Halal guidelines. Islam does not condone such inhumane treatment of animals." And then a Muslim scholar goes on to speak about how these people are going against Islamic rules and need to change what they are doing.

I think it is insulting to people who were held as slaves and to victims of rape for you to compare killing animals to them. I do not think that anyone would argue with you about cruelty to animals being wrong (and that it is possibly similar to cruelty to people), but nature shows us that killing an animal for food is natural. Animals do this every single day, and we are part of the food chain. It is not doing "the wrong thing in the 'right' way" to eat meat; it is doing a natural thing in a humane way to kill animals in conditions which minimize their pain.

Also, calling yourself (and fellow vegetarian/vegans) “the weak” by using the Stowe quote does not mean that you have moral ground. Many groups could call themselves “the weak”, such as groups of people who believe that bombing abortion clinics is an acceptable way to protest abortions or groups of people who believe that poaching endangered species is enjoyable. Both groups are “the weak” because they hold a minority opinion but being a minority opinion does not make them morally correct.

I will sum this up because you seem to have problems following my main points. When done correctly, which is the only way I am trying to defend, killing animals for their meat is not inhumane or barbaric. People are omnivores by nature. We are part of the food chain and need certain vitamins and minerals. Enriched foods (and pills and shots) are one way to get these nutrients, but meat consumption is a natural way to get these nutrients in amounts and forms that are easiest for the human body to digest. There are people who are cruel to animals; they are not following the rules of how animals should be treated. When people follow the rules, the slaughter of animals is not inhumane. The proper treatment of animals should be more strictly regulated. I believe that being a vegetarian or vegan is one of many acceptable diet options.

If you have a response, please remember to follow your original pattern of argument. There is no point in my replying to your posts when you change your argument or use emotionally-charged points. Please try to use objectivity.

Bea Elliott said...

Actually the comparison of "food animals" to victims and slaves is quite accurate.
"1989 book to present an in-depth exploration of the similarities between the violence humans have wrought against other humans and our culture's treatment of animals. Using considerable scholarship, she makes a strong case for links between white oppression of black slaves and human oppression of animals. Her thesis is not that the oppressions suffered by black people and animals have taken identical forms but that they share the same relationship between the oppressor and the oppressed."
From Library Journal Editorial Review

The German Jewish philosopher Theodor Adorno once said: "Auschwitz begins whenever someone looks at a slaughterhouse and thinks: they're only animals." The exploitation and slaughter of animals instills in us the habit of withholding our compassion from those we define as Other and hardens our hearts to their suffering and death. Our detachment and indifference toward their fate makes us more inclined to commit atrocities against each other. What we do to animals, we sooner or later do to members of our own species. As the Yiddish writer Isaac Bashevis Singer observed, "There is only one little step from killing animals to creating gas chambers a la Hitler."

Eternal Treblinka: Our Treatment of Animals and The Holocaust by Charles Patterson

Nobel prize winning writer Isaac Bashevis Singer:he wrote "In relation to [animals], all people are Nazis; And also wrote, "When a human kills an animal for food, he is neglecting his own hunger for justice. Man prays for mercy, but is unwilling to extend it to others. Why should man then expect mercy from God? It's unfair to expect something that you are not willing to give. It is inconsistent."
The German Jewish philosopher Theodor Adorno once said: "Auschwitz begins whenever someone looks at a slaughterhouse and thinks: they're only animals." The exploitation and slaughter of animals instills in us the habit of withholding our compassion from those we define as Other and hardens our hearts to their suffering and death. Our detachment and indifference toward their fate makes us more inclined to commit atrocities against each other. What we do to animals, we sooner or later do to members of our own species. As the Yiddish writer Isaac Bashevis Singer observed, "There is only one little step from killing animals to creating gas chambers a la Hitler."

And you are wrong... I did not call myself or fellow vegans "the weak" to support my Stowe quote - It is the animals whom I call weak, for they are at the mercy of man who can rationalize anything in regards to their treatment.

I don't have a problem following your main point at all... You view eating meat as necessary and justified - Unless one is stranded on an island void of vegetation - I disagree. I believe food "chains" can be challenged and adjusted according to circumstances... Man was/is an "opportunistic omnivore" --- With thousands of other options in the civilized world there is no justifiable position to kill when it's not necessary... No matter how "nicely" it's done.

And BTW most animal based foods are also fortified - Seems that to make them "safe" for human consumption most of the nutriments must be removed anyway. I take no shots or pills - As one can follow a well planned "healthy" diet eating animals, the same is true for opting not to. So my position remains the same "That if we don't HAVE TO kill/eat animals - which would be anyone/everyone reading this comment --- Then why should we?"

Finally the essence is that no one will betray their faith if they refuse to kill/eat animals... Every religion provides "permission" to not kill as well -

Anonymous said...

Islam is mental, end of!

Anonymous said...

Guest, who is also a muslim

Okay first I would like to thank all the people who completley understand what we do this for. We do it for the meat! We do not do it to torture the animals! We do it so that it is quick and clean and so we do not torture the poor animals. It's not like in some slaughter houses here in the United States who sit there and starve their animals, by putting them in boxes where they can't move and have to stay in one position until someone comes and decides it's time for dinner. HELLO!! VEAL!! Let me make one thing clear:
For those of you who are vegans oe vegetatrians, if you asked a doctor what you guys are doing, by not eating meat, is that humane? I can tell you personally that my family in EGYPT only keeps a small portion, becasue thankfully we do not have to worry when our next meal is!! When we kill an animal, ISLAMICLY, we go and give 95% of the meat away to those who need it. You see America and everyone thinks oh,, no body will ever starve here. Right? Well I no People who do not eat everyday. If they do it is mostly once a day. My point is that certain "idiots " do not entirley understand the point of what we do and why we do! If you are going to say something then at least know what you are talking about. If not then SHUT THE HELL UP!! and go read a freaking book about this. I am sure almost everyone has on Muslim friend! Ask them they should be able to answer your questions. And by the way, for those of you who are probably thinking oh she was born from another country, well for your information I was born here. My mohter is American she converted after marryign my father and believes that killing the animals the way we do is 100% CORRECT.

Spp said...

Actually the way Jews slaughter animals to make it kosher is not any more humane then how Muslims slaughter them.

sameer said...

To all those who are against animal slaughtering and justify themselves as modern day revolutionists to the care of nature.

1. Every living organism has a life whether it is small or large n they also have a pain to feel..

2. Then plants also have life y harm them for meal.. not 1 not 2 to fulfil a meal we destruct many plants lives.

3. Y use leather wallets, purses, belts and shoes stop using them.. check urself if u hav 1

4. If u wash ur hands or bath using soap many germs and bacteria die... then dont take bath or wash hands..

5. If u walk, breath or sneeze lot of life is destroyed so avoid doin it... there are many more arguments to be answered which is diff..

sheep goat cow n all reproduce once in a year.. Lacks together of livestock is slaughtered everyday still u are able to meet the worlds demand it is possible only because the manger of the world is managing it thats Allah...

if u dont slaughter them the swift reproduction of these animals will multiply them in few years that there will b a space scarcity for human being to make his living. God created human to be superior than other living organisms because he wanted to do so hence, we are dominating others and having a comfortable life. Eating flesh is not new in history. We r the omnivorous coz its our jean so we eat flesh n herbivores animals eat only plants coz its in there jean they dont decide wat to eat n wat not to eat. So as carnivorous have there own habbit of eating.

So please dont challenge God on natures predator prey cycle.. No Gods sent book has restricted humans from eating other animals..
but if u still think it is wrong then i challenge u to remove those verses from that book or write urself a holy book as per ur opinions and try sustaining that book to be followed for the future generations....

So think at a Macro level dnt jst justify based on ur likes n dislikes...

sameer said...

Very Interesting discussion is going on. At least any one can make out we as a human don't have respect for each other, but going to protect the planet EARTH. Thinking of saving innocent cattle but chopping their vegetation. Building multiplex and thinking of encroaching jungle but shedding crocodiles tear to protect innocent animals right. We are talking about cow as mother but has no respect for own's mother. If we look at data not a myth that old age home numbers are increasing. We're going to protect animals. Huh!

The author tried to explain what's the significance of this festival and each started with their own point to throw stone each other. This is very sad that without knowing facts we're going to show our knowledge. Killing each other in the name of justice, religion etc and talking about vegeterian. Can anyone tell me a food item which is not biological in origin and doesn't have life.

Please try to understand each religions origin was a time bound, geographical and social necessity and can't be ignored. There is no harm if you know less but there is a harm for the society if you try to pour in your comments that doesn't have any base and you never learnt to respect each others culture, religion etc. This disbalance other's life.

Food intake is individuals choice and taste, not a public property. Awarness are growing to take more vegetables for better health it's proven fact but that doesn't mean that others can't celebrate their rituals. Animal sacrifice is a symbolic one. This can definitely be done in controlled fashion and need an awarness.

Last but not least: The grade of the milk is determined by Somatic Cell Count and bacteria plate count. Somatic cells are leukocytes(White blood cells). I do believe you know the rest.

simplyjohn said...

you motherfucka people. .. . .basturds !. .how d hel cn u slaughter cows nd other animals !. . .dnt u feel any shame while doing dis ?. . .jus think for a while , what wuld u do if sum1 slaughter ur mother or ur family in front of u !. . .u r nt humans . . .u are wild beasts . . . .all such butchers must b killed or sentenced to death !!

Κώστας said...

Bloody savages! And cowards.
I'm ashamed of the human race.

Kamrul Hasan said...

i want to say that people whose are comments that pictures, do you eat meat. how your butcher kill animals? you see some improper system of killing and you talking about islam. you fool should learn first what the islam are saying. do you maintenance your religion 100%? hitler kiil lots of people we can't say all germans are bad. so think first then say.

Keith Bishop said...

Sickened to see that children have to witness these events. Some of the children seem to be smiling cant get my head round this sick people.

Zivko Stankovic said...

Those muslims idiots ,thats is animal torture ,who ever says this is humane is an idiot,i see people are mentioning butchers in the west but what they dont say is that they use electric guns to make pain receptors inert ,so that the animal wouldnt feel any kind of pain.for aid al adha muslims stick knifes at camels before they slaughter the animal and you can see videos of camel with a slit throat trying to get up and its clearly most brutal and inhumane way to kill an animal.

Arbaz Khan said...

Okay, anybody who says this is inhumane and eats meat is an idiot. How in hell do you think you get the meat you eat? Do they just find animals that are already dead? No, they kill them. Most of these pictures show them slaughtering the cows without any sort of protection, and resorting to what appears to be brutal methods to kill them. In reality, most of us slaughter the cow in the same method as most factories do: quickly and painlessly. Those idiots who are saying that we torture the animals before killing them, they have only seen videos that have been posted soley for the purpose of turning you against us. We want to make it as painless for the animal, not painful. Whoever does otherwise is not a Muslim. We feel bad for the poor animal, but we do this for the meat, and because it is a tradition. We are not doing anything different than the slaughtering house that makes your very meat. Anyone saying we purposefully make them feel pain is a complete idiot and should be ignored. said...

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